more is buffy immortal?

anthony, nice try but like when you said that buffy had ptsd when she came back to life and that was the same as cordelia's amnesia--you are comparing apples and oranges. Cordelia was utterly human when she fell down those stairs and she lost consciousness while Xander talked to her and was hospitalized for like 2 weeks after "not kabobing any major organs," during the first of which she was so injured she was not allowed visitors. When Buffy was stabbed through in her lower abodmen where a sword would at least go through intestines if not liver, buffy merely fell to the ground and then the First appeared to her and said "ouch mom,this mortal wound is itchy" then buffy responded back "get out of my face." at that point Faith took the scythe from her and buffy told her to hold the line--therefore you expect that she will expire in battle. However, not long after that she is seen running atop buildings as they fall into the collapsing hellmouth. So how do you explain that?

Also when she grabs Spike's hand as he is standing there wil his Liz Taylor necklace radiating light to "clean up" after the First by killing off its army of ubervamps she puts her hand to Spikes and then they and flames are born from Spike and Buffy touching. At this point depending on whether you are watching "The Chosen One" or Angel she says to Spike "I love you" and he says "No you don't but thanks for syaing it" (curiously they are mute when the same footage is run on Angel)--how is it that Buffy can withstand her hand being ignited? I think there is some transformation that Buffy undergoes besides the ones we witness, but on some deeper metaphysical level when she is brought back to life. We see that she is utterly unable to live as a "regular human" and the only part of her that seems unaffected by her death is her abilities as a Slayer and then we learn through Spike that some part of Buffy was left behind when Willow brought her back to life. There is no satisfactory answere ever given for why Spike is able to harm Buffy and demons other than we know Slayers were originally made from demons by the Shadow men. Yet the Shadow Men were watched by the underground group of women who forged the scythe and about whom much is not ever explained in that last season--there is only that one woman that Caleb kills. As I said there is the precedent of Whistler being the "immortal demon" who is on the side of good and I guess manifests in some way the desires of the "powers that be" when he recruits Angel (also an immortal demon). In order to prevent Jasmine from passing into this reality Darla appears to Connor and attempts to "undo" faux Cordelia's/Jasmine's manipulations. The one thing that I think you take away from this is that in the Buffyverse those most able to represent or actually "be a power" are demons (partial or whole)--Angel, Spike, Dru (in her ability to see the future and to "shapeshift" as she did when she became Jenny Calendar, Whistler, Doyle, Darla, all demons and all in some way linked to the Powers. Then there is Jasmine's final exit from the human world where she tells Angel that "No other power ever really cared about humans and in your heart of hearts you know that is true" so demons are powers able to define a reality and form a world (as Jasmine did) so not all demons are like m'fashnik or are like vengenance demons who serve the interests of "lower beings' by bringing about chaos. It is in the fashion of the demons who not only work for the Powers but also appear to humans as a "Power." (as we assume Skip worked for the PtB before he turned against the "Powers that Be"--an interesting aside here is when exactly did Jasmine begin manipulating things to bring about her birth? Was Doyle part of that manipulation? Or were the Scourge part of it?) These higher powers while not always the "ultimate power" are almost all universally immortal and that is where Buffy best fits, if you ask me. I think that portion of humanity that "died" and remained in "heaven" when Willow brought her back was her mortality and from the moment that she is brought back to life she is born to this world to serve it in some capacity FOREVER. The other thing that is interesting is why does the First want Buffy dead so badly? Faith is the link to the slayer line. We've seen that when Buffy dies no other slayer is chosen or brought forth,yet the First fixates on ending Buffy's life and it is this one fixation which is the Firsts undoing.

Also Slayers are in a sense immortal irregardless of the fact that they die.In Tales of the Slayer the first story is about the first slayer or primitive who is told "They say that when you die, there will be another girl chosen. And then another, for always. And you will be in them and they in each other and you will never die." In the comic (Season 8) there is the episode that features the Buffy clone who is part of the chain that links all the Slayers that were created by Willow's spell so that they all supposedly know when others are in pain and feel what others feel...Yet interestingly Faith never has the dreams that Buffy has in terms of prophecy dreams and it is never made clear whose head they are in when they meld after Buffy puts Faith in a comma and Angel drinks from Buffy and both of them are in adjacent hospital rooms. Like "The Fray," Faith is a slayer who doesn't feel the weight of history and isn't burdened by the past. Clearly, despite Faith's durability, she is mortal and human in way that Buffy is not.

Even if those comics never get around to it, I'm convinced of Buffy's immortality. What is interesting to me is that she can't see it, I think the only one that can is Rupert yet he doesn't say anything. I think Buffy could be with Angel yet her own instance on her humanity that doesn't exist falsely separates her from him.

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[Anthony]

You totally called it, my friend.